Some thoughts about money

At Rubin & Bernstein PLLC we fret about fees and costs. We fret because, as professionals whose time costs real money, we want to be sure that our services add value which exceeds our charges, significantly. Again: we want to be sure that our services add value which exceeds our charges, significantly.

Value exceeding charges, significantly? That means we don’t charge $2000 to recover $3-5000. We won’t get involved in a battle driven by feelings, for when the monthly invoices arrive, you’ll wonder what had you so angry! And we’re going to be very practical about solutions, focusing on outcomes and costs. Simply, and we don’t want to sound like we only care about money, what ends up in your pocket—net of fees and costs—matters most.

Our words matter most in difficult situations. But our philosophy applies with respect to everything we do. We focus on best outcomes, and always take fees and costs into account.


Fees v. Costs

When you receive a bill, it will often include both fees and costs. Fees are amounts we’re charging you for the services we provided. So, what are costs? Amounts we’ve paid on your behalf, most often for a filing fee to a governmental body or a service provider. Costs are pass- through items: we charge you what we’ve paid. Absent extraordinary circumstances, we don’t charge for copies, postage, and other incidentals.


Two or more of us

One more thing about fees. From time to time you might see more than one of us—whether it’s Leigh, Mark, and Matt, or one or more of us and one of our assistants—in a meeting or in court. Relax, please, if you think we’re all billing you for our time. Only one of us bills when you’re getting two or more of us, and if we’re billing by the hour you’ll be charged at your primary attorney’s hourly rate. (We talk amongst ourselves about our cases, as well, as we want to benefit from one another’s knowledge and wisdom. But you’ll never see a bill which includes charges for time spent by us, talking with one another.)

Hourly Rates

Mark Rubin


$400 per hour

Matthew Scarber


$250 per hour

Leigh Bernstein


 $300 per hour 


Flat Rates

Initial Consultation

​We charge $500 for an initial consultation. The initial consultation usually involves an in person, 1+ hour meeting. We charge $500 because we have likely spent time on the phone with you, may have reviewed documents before we meet, etc. In most cases the initial consultation fee applies to the fix fee shown below. So, if you’re single and need a will, the total charge will still be $800.

Will Package (Will(s), Powers of Attorney, and HIPAA Release)

  • Single person – $800

  • Married couple – $1,000

  • With trust provision – $1,200-$1,800 (or more, depending on complexity)


Trusts (Trust, Pour Over Will(s), Powers of Attorney, and HIPAA Release)

  • Simple (single or married) – $2,000 - $2,500

  • Special Needs Trust as part of Estate Planning – $2,500-$3,000

Other Estate Planning

  • Arizona Beneficiary Deeds – $500

  • Other Deeds – $250

  • Powers of Attorney – $400

  • Home Visits (Initial Interview or Signing) – $250 each visit

Decedent’s Estates   

  • Affidavit for Collection of Personal Property – $400

  • Affidavit of Succession to Real Property – $1,200

  • Uncontested Probate – $2,500

Guardianship and Conservatorship Proceedings

  • Guardianship, Conservatorship, or a combined  proceeding – $3,000

  • Emergency Guardianship, Conservatorship, or a combined proceeding – $4,000


This website is not a private site. Contacting Leigh, Mark, or Matt—or anyone else at Rubin & Bernstein PLLC—does not establish an attorney-client relationship between us, either for confidentiality or conflict of interest purposes. Please do not provide any non-public information here.

Any posts or other information concerning legal matters are intended to provide general information about legal terminology, statutes, issues, cases, etc. We believe our posts are accurate, but we are not “all knowing” and the nature of this website does not always allow for consideration of every possible aspect of a situation. Every situation is also different, and I am not intending to provide legal advice to anyone. If you need legal assistance, hire us or someone else.

Finally, Leigh, Mark, and Matt are members in good standing of the State Bar of Arizona, and are licensed nowhere else. Our conduct is governed by the Arizona Rules of Professional Conduct, set forth in Rules 42, Rules of the Supreme Court. Unless we make a specific observation about the law of another jurisdiction, any information we provide relates to Arizona law.